skullmount said:
What is meant by the "original 45" ?
Most of the above was covered already but this is the history as i understand it. I could be wrong so dont take my word as the gospel truth. Any corrections would be appreciated.
Original DISCs had a 24in barrel and orange FPJs. IIRC most if not all 45s were a 1-20.
The "Super" DISC had a 26" fluted barrel, and orange FPJs. Only the early serial numbers were 1-20. SS and Blue had different cutoff numbers.
Serial number change for the .45 twist rate was anything prior to #2291 on mild steel and #5043 on stainless were 1:20 twist. Mine is over 6000 so it doesnt appear to be a 1-20.
Both had composite stocks like the composite on mine and a Walnut stock with a bit different shape. Extreme stocks appear to be a direct swap. Both my laminate and TH composite fit perfect. The early OEM composite stocks were really rugged and heavy. Mine feels like the butt is solid or close to solid and the recoil pad is very nice. (soft)
Anyone that already has an Extreme and probably an Elite has everything they need to make it use either a NFPJ or a red FPJ. Elite stocks may not fit without a little work in the barrel channel do to the barrel contour.
Ive got a thing for old NIB and to me it ups the value a little bit so i had to get one even if it wasn't a 1-20. The price was excellent and its one of the few i dont have in my collection. Wally was nice enough to spend nearly an hour on the phone with me going over serials just to make sure. He did have some VERY low serial Elites and still has a couple more in blue. At first it appeared i did find a SuperDISC 45 under 500 but it was an Elite. Another member here got it though so im happy for him.
I have NO connection to this seller other than wanting this forums members to get first shot at them. It looks like my idea worked and he sold quite a few from my post and is down to 3 left. Considering the cost of new Knights and other used prices rising i felt it was a good buy.
The earliest Original he has is a 50cal blued with a 24" for just $199. If you want a more compact DISC. This would be a great option if you already have an Extreme.
Some interesting tidbits:
Originals has a "crossfire" breach plug that would use a orange FPJ and either 209 or percussion caps. There is a small adapter mentioned in the manual. The powder side looks different than any else ive seen. it has a big cross shaped pocket and the flash hole is super close to the FPJ with basically no flash channel.
The firing pin has a very short amount of travel so lock time should be very good. Its does NOT move back like a red FPJ, It achieves its seal from the FPJ crush on closing (slight camming action) and seals out the elements very well.
My Knight bucks were dated 2005?
Let me know if you would like pics of the "crossfire" breach plug. I haven't looked for the percussion adapter in my parts bag though. It fits in the FPJ IIRC according to the manual.
I want to shoot it very badly but if someone has a 45cal 1-20 for trade i would like to hear the offer. Only SS please and a 24" is preferred. I will keep it unfired for a bit just in case since i REALLY want a 1-20 and someone would get an excellent trade if theirs has a mint bore.
Smyers
Ive heard similar rumors about the leftover GMB54 barrels and IMO a 22-24" would be ideal. My MK85 54 is also a 24" and balances super nice for a full sized gun. Actually only the Elite feels as good. My GMB54 is insanely accurate with the short barrel but i would like a tad more fps with max loads. If they offered a 54cal with a faster twist 24" i would do whatever it takes to get one. My guess is they will more likely offer a 52cal carbine even though i feel the 54 has some advantages with 54x50 sabots considering new bullet options and other sabot options. Mine will shoot some 458s in a 54x45 sabot VERY well too.
