Smokeless Patriot observations

[Finnblade]

Thanks for your post & welcome to the forum.
It doesn’t sound like you’re familiar with the gun we’re talking about here.
It’s a smokeless muzzleloader….so, NO black powder or Pyrodex EVER!
I understand the diff recoil signatures of the diff powders & so does Decay.
The only smart move here is to get the brake or only shoot light smokeless charges with lighter bullets in the Patriot bc it’s so light.
A Traditions - anything, doesn’t belong in the same convo really.

I mentioned my recent experience with the Traditions Pursuit because it is very close to the same weight as the Patriot (5.75lbs VS 6lbs - 4oz difference). Mark Woodman of Woodman Arms has been quoted as saying that he designed the Patriot for BH 209. I’ve always considered BH 209 as a blackpowder substitute and wouldn’t call it smokeless. BH 209 has been very difficult to find. I assumed that folks could use Pyrodex or other BP substitutes in their Patriots. If you can share a source/link from Woodman Arms that says the Patriot can’t use any other BP substitute, I’d greatly appreciate it. I ask because I’m considering putting in an order for one myself, and if true, that would limit the Patriot’s usability. If I stand corrected, then apologies on my end for sure.

 

[Ninering62]

I mentioned my recent experience with the Traditions Pursuit because it is very close to the same weight as the Patriot (5.75lbs VS 6lbs - 4oz difference). Mark Woodman of Woodman Arms has been quoted as saying that he designed the Patriot for BH 209. I’ve always considered BH 209 as a blackpowder substitute and wouldn’t call it smokeless. BH 209 has been very difficult to find. I assumed that folks could use Pyrodex or other BP substitutes in their Patriots. If you can share a source/link from Woodman Arms that says the Patriot can’t use any other BP substitute, I’d greatly appreciate it. I ask because I’m considering putting in an order for one myself, and if true, that would limit the Patriot’s usability. If I stand corrected, then apologies on my end for sure.

He offers the Patriot rated for BH209 & smokeless.
The smokeless upgraded barrel is 300.00 more the last time I looked.

 

[LBAhunter]

I mentioned my recent experience with the Traditions Pursuit because it is very close to the same weight as the Patriot (5.75lbs VS 6lbs - 4oz difference). Mark Woodman of Woodman Arms has been quoted as saying that he designed the Patriot for BH 209. I’ve always considered BH 209 as a blackpowder substitute and wouldn’t call it smokeless. BH 209 has been very difficult to find. I assumed that folks could use Pyrodex or other BP substitutes in their Patriots. If you can share a source/link from Woodman Arms that says the Patriot can’t use any other BP substitute, I’d greatly appreciate it. I ask because I’m considering putting in an order for one myself, and if true, that would limit the Patriot’s usability. If I stand corrected, then apologies on my end for sure.

When you call, before you place your order for a Patriot, ask about it. I would get the smokeless rated barrel. Then your Patriot would be way more versatile then the Traditions you have now.

 

[LHR]

My understanding is the smokeless rated barrel is any of the .45 barrels that Woodman Arms offers.

NO SMOKELESS IN THE .50 CAL

Any BP substitute can be used!
But I would never consider soiling this fine barrel with any other than BH209 or smokeless.

I'm not sure but there will or is a .40 cal barrel 1-15 twist, that I'm interested in as well.


To me the great thing about the Patriot is just how versatile it is. That's a 10 shot group, 5 with BH209 and 5 with smokeless N120, full bore .45 Fury sized to my barrel. Only difference between the two loads is the powder of choice ! Medium pressure adjustable breech plug.
What an amazing rifle!

 

[LBAhunter]

My understanding is the smokeless rated barrel is any of the .45 barrels that Woodman Arms offers.

NO SMOKELESS IN THE .50 CAL

Any BP substitute can be used!
But I would never consider soiling this fine barrel with any other than BH209 or smokeless.

I'm not sure but there will or is a .40 cal barrel 1-15 twist, that I'm interested in as well.
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To me the great thing about the Patriot is just how versatile it is. That's a 10 shot group, 5 with BH209 and 5 with smokeless N120, full bore .45 Fury sized to my barrel. Only difference between the two loads is the powder of choice ! Medium pressure adjustable breech plug.
What an amazing rifle!

Looks like you got it dialed in!!