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I did specify Muzzleloaders because they have two now.
1- To heavy of a Muzzleloader. They made the plastic stocks better which would mean heavier. I new of no problems with the old at all. The two i have look and feel great.
2- Barrel length longer, for what more weight? Keep the barrel at the standard length. The Deer wont know the difference between the little velocity gain you achieve.
3- If your gonna change the breech plug, add a quick release bolt. Loosening a stock screw to take out bolt is not something i want to do during hunting season for sure. Now the EZ tools savage sold are useless with the new plug. :? Until someone makes a tool, you will be loosening the stock screw to take out breech plug. A third pillar would solve all issues at basically very little cost.
4- Ditch the rings and bases and lower the cost of the gun. $700.00 for that Muzzleloader is crazy. Of course Cabelas is marking that up big time.
5- For $700.00 a power rod should be included or something similar. I got the same ***** with NULA.
I'm glad to see savage added the recoil pad. But with Black Powder loads i dont think you need it. The gun is so heavy recoil is mute with standard Black Powder loads. The recoil pad is needed with the higher velocity smokeless loads for sure.
Savage has really made no improvements for the smokeless gun in atleast 5 years. The Henry Ball savage was excellant. But Henry and randy did that. I actually regret selling mine.
I think Savage should step up and improve the smokeless gun for the guys that like to shoot smokeless. The guys that like to use Black Powder can use the smokeless gun as well. I would not buy a Savage for Black Powder. To many other better guns. It wasnt built for black powder. It was built around smokeless powder. Non corrosive, clean burning, accurate powder. Actually 5744 That's why the gun is over built. That's why they keep the stupid vent-liner. It's safe plain and simple.
Savage does have the best customer service hands down. You just cant beet Joe Degrande and others at savage. They do have the strongest built, safest Ml on the market. Stupid proof some will say. And we all do stupid things once and awhile.
If we post things that we think would make the gun better for us they might do it. They did it for Cabelas. Post things you like, post things you dont like. I will send this link to Joe Degrande at Savage tonight.
BTW- I currently have two savages. I believe i have owned 7 total including a Henry Ball #58 which i sold. It's not about what i like or dont like. It's what you like or dont like or want to see changed. :wink:
1- To heavy of a Muzzleloader. They made the plastic stocks better which would mean heavier. I new of no problems with the old at all. The two i have look and feel great.
2- Barrel length longer, for what more weight? Keep the barrel at the standard length. The Deer wont know the difference between the little velocity gain you achieve.
3- If your gonna change the breech plug, add a quick release bolt. Loosening a stock screw to take out bolt is not something i want to do during hunting season for sure. Now the EZ tools savage sold are useless with the new plug. :? Until someone makes a tool, you will be loosening the stock screw to take out breech plug. A third pillar would solve all issues at basically very little cost.
4- Ditch the rings and bases and lower the cost of the gun. $700.00 for that Muzzleloader is crazy. Of course Cabelas is marking that up big time.
5- For $700.00 a power rod should be included or something similar. I got the same ***** with NULA.
I'm glad to see savage added the recoil pad. But with Black Powder loads i dont think you need it. The gun is so heavy recoil is mute with standard Black Powder loads. The recoil pad is needed with the higher velocity smokeless loads for sure.
Savage has really made no improvements for the smokeless gun in atleast 5 years. The Henry Ball savage was excellant. But Henry and randy did that. I actually regret selling mine.
I think Savage should step up and improve the smokeless gun for the guys that like to shoot smokeless. The guys that like to use Black Powder can use the smokeless gun as well. I would not buy a Savage for Black Powder. To many other better guns. It wasnt built for black powder. It was built around smokeless powder. Non corrosive, clean burning, accurate powder. Actually 5744 That's why the gun is over built. That's why they keep the stupid vent-liner. It's safe plain and simple.
Savage does have the best customer service hands down. You just cant beet Joe Degrande and others at savage. They do have the strongest built, safest Ml on the market. Stupid proof some will say. And we all do stupid things once and awhile.
If we post things that we think would make the gun better for us they might do it. They did it for Cabelas. Post things you like, post things you dont like. I will send this link to Joe Degrande at Savage tonight.
BTW- I currently have two savages. I believe i have owned 7 total including a Henry Ball #58 which i sold. It's not about what i like or dont like. It's what you like or dont like or want to see changed. :wink: