i shot an ok 2" group, just a hair over. 3 shots at 100 yards . group was 2 inches high then the flyer went a little more than tat. i may have caused the flyer, so i am not doing any more shooting until my Bellm pin gets here. the shock waves had the same poi, but were hard to load, even though they are super glides. i guess i will stay with the sst low drag bullets.