Those other nice muzzleloaders that are mentioned not specifically are they going to have to have a new plug and need upgraded?, one thing I have to say about that Omega that plug is good ,,I can take a new omega out of the box and I've had a couple of new omegas they weren't in the box but they have not been shot ,,you know what ,,I don't need to go out and buy another plug to make this gun shoot. I consider omegas in good shape to be worth between $300 and $500 yes I think paying 8 or 900 or 1000 is not smart but again I'm back to the argument of accurate quality I've never was a TC fan I still don't consider myself one and my experience with TC is only with the Omega,,, but so far for a factory rifle I am way over just impressed, again a lot of things about the Omega I wish we're different but the consistent accuracy of the ones I've shot is impressive everyone in 28 twist 50 cal Omega I have shot has been a shooter as in three-quarter to half inch every 50 cal 28 twist Omega that I have tried has ran Winchester 209 as clean as can be for such a simple rifle with a simple plug again I am amazed reality is the value of any gun is Define by the needs and expectations of the shooter some of those needs are surely Aesthetics fit and function and I know there are those of us who collects fine firearms just because that's what we're into I don't myself any Muzzleloader or gun that I have is a tool to me I will always be more concerned about how it shoots then what it looks like if I cannot use it as a functioning successful tool it's place in my collection quickly fades