I used to own a T/C Hawken and Cherokee, but found that I had to crane my neck too much to fire them offhand. They were fine from the bench, but when I shouldered them, I found myself looking maybe 4" - 6" over the front sight, hence the neck craning. Do the New Englanders and Penna. Hunters use the same stock design, i.e., drop, as the Hawken, Cherokee, and I presume, Renegade?