Yep plmeek I haven't been here in a while and now its been a little over a year since you posted. Times gets away from you. I have been dealing with doctors and other things in life and as of December 2nd I went on full disability.It doesn't look like burlesontom has visited this forum since Sep 20, 2019, but it's probably worth summarizing for others that have and will look at this thread.
.But newer research is swinging the pendulum back towards the middle..... The new stuff doesn't negate Hanson's research, just modifies some of his conclusions a little..... And I agree that "learning more was (is) the whole premise of the thread".
I never thought you or anyone else implied I got things wrong. Heck that why I started the thread. To learn. I like learning. A lot has been written about the Mountain Men, the Leatherstocking and Longhunters from the 18th century and most was correct but some is wrong information being handed down.Welcome back, burlesontom. Sorry about your health issues. I have some good friends that are dealing with health issues and it's sad to see. I can't do much but offer support and spend some time with them.
I wasn't intending to imply that you personally "got things" wrong. Just that a lot of the info on the internet like the website you linked is based on old research and is therefore a little out dated.
Most of the literature about Hawken rifles from George Ruxton to John Baird romanticized the Hawken rifle and built up a lot of myths about them. Charles E. Hanson Jr. in The Hawken Rifle may have taken the pendulum too far the other way, at least that is how a lot of people interpreted it. But newer research is swinging the pendulum back towards the middle. J&S Hawken rifles were present in the mountains earlier than Hanson thought and in greater numbers. The new stuff doesn't negate Hanson's research, just modifies some of his conclusions a little. Hanson was aware of some of it before he died and applauded it. Just as Baird applauded Hanson's book when it first came out.
And I agree that "learning more was (is) the whole premise of the thread".
I reread this thread often. If I were to contract another rifle, GRRW Leman Indian Trade Rifle. Cool and a rare GRRW model.H.E. Leman guns: Trade Rifles, Indian Trade Rifles and NW Trade Guns covered a lot of what was being used. Charles E. Hanson, Jr. showed me a late Leman NW Trade Gun that was still in flint 30 years way past the flintlock's prime (the paperwork showed it was purchased as is in the mid 1850's). Many of those that lived in the hills and mountains weren't interested in percussion guns, they could alway find rocks that would spark, percussion caps were questionable into the 1860's according to Hanson.
I have an original late H.E. Leman fullstock percussion 36 inch barrel in.50 caliber. Also have a original H.E. Leman halfstock percussion 30 inch barrel in .52 caliber. We used both of these for examples for GRRW Collector Association Leman guns.
GRRW LEMAN INDIAN TRADE RIFLE