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I don’t think it’s muzzleloading if you go this way. It’s more like a shotgun. Think it’s getting away from the reason we use a muzzleloader.
I said nothing about you that should bring on this type of response. You are trolling, you are not bringing anything valid to this subject. Now you are accusing me of becoming personal. So i am a person that is not going let someone else shift blame on me for my opinion about a breech loader. Get a life your happy about
Sir there is no reason to keep telling us or even me about Blk. Sub powders. This topic is about a breech loading rifle !The following SDS sheet from Hodgdon reveals the amount of Nitrocellulose in twelve of their smokeless powders, including Varget which I use in my 6 BR bolt-action rifle.
https://hodgdon.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/varget-ar2208.pdf
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Actually by definition you are correct. A muzzleloader is a firearm LOADED from the muzzle. The Firestorm does NOT meet that criteria because the charge (AKA load) is loaded from the breech. Only the projectile is inserted thru the muzzle.The type of bp used doesn't matter. The gun is NOT a muzzle loader!
Something similar happened in North Carolina. When the rifle first came on the market it was illegal in my state, because our law said both the propellant and projectile had to be loaded through the muzzle.He responded that the PGC had to alter the rules to make this "muzzleloader" legal.
Did you hear about the guy that identified as a woman and followed another man's daughter into the ladies room? The father knocked a couple of the guys teeth out because he said he identified as the tooth fairy!If you can redefine what is a "woman", changing the definition of what is a "muzzleloader" is not that difficult. At one time words had meaning, but not so much these days.
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3D printed, but very time consuming if the end product still cannot be reloaded. Also there has to be an actual brass cartridge the right size. Looks like a .50-70 is pretty close.I bet a skilled 3D printer operator could make them cheaply, still not reusable tho, but loading might take a little experimenting.
The fact several states have made this legal is an indication someone with more money than I thought was in this sport is heavily campaigning for it.The NitroFire is about as far away from muzzleloading as you can get per the definition. Being a Hunter/Trapper Safety Instructor for the PA game commission I have several contacts with the local game wardens. I sent a text message to one today and asked about the legality of using a NitroFire. He responded that the PGC had to alter the rules to make this "muzzleloader" legal.
This is a muzzleloader made for someone who has no interest in muzzleloaders. Its there so that person can hunt in the ML season with essentially a modern rifle.I hope this doesn't come across as being too rude, we Aussies can have the habit of being a bit blunt in our words and dry in our humour.
My observation from the outside in what I see on other non muzzleloader specific forums and such is people being drawn to muzzleloader hunting for extra opportunities to hunt not because there is any interest in the art of muzzleloading. I see a lot of people not wanting the inconvenience of exposed ignition, open sights, poor ballistics etc. It seems to be a mindset of "just make it work like a rifle and give me an extra tag".
Of course places like this forum are completely different and I really love the passion of fellow forum members (which is why this is the only forum I regularly visit).
As for myself, we have no weapon specific seasons so I hunt with a muzzleloader because I find the challenge and the history both fascinating and rewarding.
Boy that's drawing a fine gray line between a centerfire rifle and a muzzleloader. The ATF will soon want to be regulating muzzleloaders too!The ATF considers it to be a modern gun and it requires an FFL to transfer it.
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Looks like you got one hell of a muzzleloader collection ! & I agree about the Nitrofire , is very expensive & takes the fun out of true muzzleloading ! Its like loading a single shot shotgun .Same in Utah
And depending upon his state it may not be legal for muzzleloader season. Here in VA the powder and bullet must be loaded from the muzzle.
That is coming.The ATF will soon want to be regulating muzzleloaders too!
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