Shot my Ultimate Firearms BP-Express today

[Busta]

what's the pac-jac? how does it work?

The Pack-Jack is a loading tool, it goes on the end of your ramrod allowing you to load each bullet to the same pounds of pressure. It is mainly an accuracy tool to keep each load the same, of course you would have to keep the bore (cleaned) in the same condition for each loading. When you push down on the Pack-Jack, it will reach a certain pressure level, then give (kick-out).

 

[Pappy]

what's the pac-jac? how does it work?

The Pack-Jack is a loading tool, it goes on the end of your ramrod allowing you to load each bullet to the same pounds of pressure. It is mainly an accuracy tool to keep each load the same, of course you would have to keep the bore (cleaned) in the same condition for each loading. When you push down on the Pack-Jack, it will reach a certain pressure level, then give (kick-out).

Is it set on a given load rate or is it adjustable??

 

[BrantSFGDS]

The Pac-Jac my buddy has is fixed. I do not know if there is an adjustable version or not. I have not used one. My pal Steve says it works great for target work, but I'm satisfied with the way the gun shoots without it. BTW, I harvested 8 deer with the Ultimate this year, all bang-flops. I took two other deer with a rifle I built for someone else just for giggles, but it wasn't as fun as a muzzleloader.

 

[b_vanfossen]

wow- great shooting gun!!

are youl letting the barrel cool down between shots to get that kind of group? if so- how long do you wait?

Thanks

 

[Busta]

what's the pac-jac? how does it work?

The Pack-Jack is a loading tool, it goes on the end of your ramrod allowing you to load each bullet to the same pounds of pressure. It is mainly an accuracy tool to keep each load the same, of course you would have to keep the bore (cleaned) in the same condition for each loading. When you push down on the Pack-Jack, it will reach a certain pressure level, then give (kick-out).

Is it set on a given load rate or is it adjustable??

I have only handled one at the Ultimate Booth at a Show, I am pretty (99.9%) sure it was fixed, but I can't remember what it was set at. Just guessing here, but maybe 35 pounds? CRS gets worse with age!

 

[BrantSFGDS]

b_van,

The only time between shots is the time it takes me to swab the bore. I use both sides of a wet patch (TC# 13) and two dry patches between shots on the range. I load and swab with a Spinjag made for the Parker BE bullet. I used the same procedure in hot and cold weather with the same results. I typically walk down range after 10 rounds or so to change targets, that's about all the cooling time it gets unless I take another gun.

 

[BrantSFGDS]

My shooting process is as follows;
Shoot, wipe with one wet and two dry patches, reload and shoot again. I fire two groups, either 3 or 5 shot, and then I walk downrange to change targets. The time I spend downrange is the only cooling time the gun gets. I get the same accuracy in hot or cold weather.

 

[BrantSFGDS]

My shooting process is as follows;
Shoot, wipe with one wet and two dry patches, reload and shoot again. I fire two groups, either 3 or 5 shot, and then I walk downrange to change targets. The time I spend downrange is the only cooling time the gun gets. I get the same accuracy in hot or cold weather.

 

[BrantSFGDS]

Greetings all! It's deer killin' time again and I hope everyone's smokepoles are dialed in. Basically I'm shamelessly bumping my own post to remind everyone that it isn't too late to get an Ultimate, or, try the load listed above in your Savage if you are in a non-smokeless state. God bless and happy hunting!

 

[UtahRob]

SORRY !!

Not a fan of this gun at all and i think we are starting to re-invent the center fire and this gun will do more harm to the Muzzle loader sport/seasons. I hear way to often how muzzle loaders are just like center fires , i go into guns shops every day and hear this at least once a week ,NO JOKE and this is by both shop owners and customers .and they feel should be used during the general rifle season and not the muzzle loader season and with this gun i think they may be right . When i saw this gun in Trophy Hunter magazine i cringed . In the magazine hey advertised and bragged about 700 yard kills on Elk . . :twisted: .

sorry , End of Rant !!!

 

[Batchief909]

T/C and alot of modern muzzleloader manufacturers are all doing the same thing by advertising "200 yard" guns. Lots of posts on here with guys proclaiming the same accuracy with their smokepoles.

It's not the gun that's gonna get us in trouble,,,it's the folks that constantly post success stories of 150-200 yard kills. Alot of guns can achieve that accuracy.

So who's at fault?? The gunmakers and their advertising department,,,or us?? 8)

Seems alot of posts here strive to not only get the utmost out of accuracy,,,but to "stretch the limits" on which we can achieve said accuracy. Myself included...



We have nobody to blame,,but ourselves. 8)

Shoot what ya got,,,choose your limits,, and be ethical. That's all you can ask for,,,,but don't crack on a guy for choosing to shoot an Ultimate....he's just doing what most here are doing with their T/Cs,,Savages,,CVAs,,etc. 8)

 

[UtahRob]

We have nobody to blame,,but ourselves. 8)

true !!

But I think 3 00 - 700 yard kill shots with center fire rifles or muzzle loaders are insane . A

 

[Batchief909]

I use either one of my Whites shooting a huge chunk of lead,,or my .45 custom flintlock longrifle with a roundball. 100 yards with the first,,or 50 yards with the latter. Don't understand the "eye to eye" comment.....

I think this was YOUR post,UR...

"I shot a small Mule deer buck this year with a 300 grain non-mag . the bullet went trough both shoulder blades at 150 yards . I though for sure the bullet would have stopped in the far shoulder at that range Shocked The exit hole was barely bigger that the entrance and that was using the non-mags . I was hoping to recover a bullet . I have shot two deer with the xtp non- mags and my son and a friend have shot two Bull Elk with the Mags .. My two deer and my sons elk dropped and never moved . a friends Elk ran 30 yards with a double lung shot . So we have had good results but none of the exit holes were very big or have we recovered a bullet . BUT THEY DID THE JOB !! But if i can use one bullet for both , like the gold dots, i will go that route instead of using the non-mags for deer and the mag for elk . i just don't trust the mags for deer . but that just me" .Embarassed Rolling Eyes


I see nothing wrong with the yardages some proclaim,,,,as long as the shooter AND gun are capable of making a clean, ethical shot,,,regardless of what they choose to shoot. It's folks who proclaim to be both,,,and just wound deer or other big game and have no clue what their bullet will do, that really "get my goat" 8)

 

[UtahRob]

I use either one of my Whites shooting a huge chunk of lead,,or my .45 custom flintlock longrifle with a roundball. 100 yards with the first,,or 50 yards with the latter. Don't understand the "eye to eye" comment.....

I think this was YOUR post,UR...

"I shot a small Mule deer buck this year with a 300 grain non-mag . the bullet went trough both shoulder blades at 150 yards . I though for sure the bullet would have stopped in the far shoulder at that range Shocked The exit hole was barely bigger that the entrance and that was using the non-mags . I was hoping to recover a bullet . I have shot two deer with the xtp non- mags and my son and a friend have shot two Bull Elk with the Mags .. My two deer and my sons elk dropped and never moved . a friends Elk ran 30 yards with a double lung shot . So we have had good results but none of the exit holes were very big or have we recovered a bullet . BUT THEY DID THE JOB !! But if i can use one bullet for both , like the gold dots, i will go that route instead of using the non-mags for deer and the mag for elk . i just don't trust the mags for deer . but that just me" .Embarassed Rolling Eyes


I see nothing wrong with the yardages some proclaim,,,,as long as the shooter AND gun are capable of making a clean, ethical shot,,,regardless of what they choose to shoot. It's folks who proclaim to be both,,,and just wound deer or other big game and have no clue what their bullet will do, that really "get my goat" 8)

I am not worried about 150-200 yard shots as most inline are very capable of doing so , but i don't think muzzle loaders able to shoot 300 -700 yards as they claim is a good thing for the sport . And the'' eye to eye'' comment , sorry i was in a hurry to get out this morning and i read you post in a hurry I thought you were condoning muzzle loaders capable of shoot 300 grain loads and shooting insane distances . I AM NOT . Sorry about that !!

 

[flounder]

I'm sure a lot of people were talking the same way about the early inlines when they came out. I have zero desire to own one of these Ultimate firearms but it doesn't bother me if someone else wants one. I just hope people know there limitations when shooting game. For me 80 to 100 yards is my limit with a peep sight. (We can't use scopes during black powder season here).All my guns shoot better than I do the way it is so why would I need a longer range weapon. Just my thoughts.
Art
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[BrantSFGDS]

OK, you asked for it! This sort of infighting of the various hunting method/camps is nothing short of porn for the antis. Longbow guys bitchin about the compound/crossbow guys. flintlock guys bitchin about the in-line/scope guys. Enough dammit! Nobody on this board forced anybody else to buy, shoot, build, or like anything they didn't want to.
A muzzleloader is a muzzleloader I don't care what kind of sights it has or what kind of bullet/powder it uses, it is still a muzzleloader and we, as hunters, have a responsibility to use the best possible equipment available in the harvesting of animals. Now, if anyone here advocates the use of anything less, well, you're an idiot!
I AM NOT saying that stripped down guns, in and of themselves, are inferior. What I'm saying is, that not everyone is capable of using such a tool to it's capabilities due to poor eyesight or whatever. Then there is the subject of ignition reliability when comparing caps to primer/shellcase systems. The mindset that only pre-1900 style muzzleloaders should be allowed causes several problems, such as, denying people the right to hunt because they aren't capable of using open sights, or, causing the loss/injury of game because of poor shot placement. The biggest problem it creates is divisions amongst firearms owners that the antis can exploit.
My opinion is this; a gun is a gun and a bow is a bow. We all recognise the differences between the old and the new and we should respect each others right to choose their tool of choice, even if it ain't our choice. If anyone here thinks they are so high and mighty that they have the right to dictate to people what they should use, give your guns to Nancy Pelosi and get the Hell out of my country!