SwampFox
Sabotloader,i know nothing about the 209 conversion unit you refer me to.I was asking about the 209 conversion unit in the link i posted about and that unit's nipple looks just like the canadaian conversion's 209 nipple.
The unit in your link is the Quebec, Canadian Conversion - or the original Cabelas conversion...
The bolt face you are trying to fit to utilize it's face to hold the 209 primer and have a REAL type fireing pin.
My bolt conversion is meant to work with the conversion you are refering to. But you still have to put the 209 in the nipple yourself and you have to take it out yourself also. The hammer is turned in a lathe to make it into a firing pin that goes through the conversion adaptor. The length of the original hammer is not altered at all.
Would have to many varable's,like the breech plug how far it is screw in each time and have prees tight seal/fit.And the 209 primer's would need to be down to a couple 1000's of a inch to mate up tight the face of bolt each and every time.
You are correct - although it does not have to be perfect - it just has to be close enough to hold the primer in the nipple so that it will not come apart on firing. My first adaptor does just that. I am now making 2 additional adaptors that will hold the primer(s) in the nipple tight. There are basically 3 different lengths of primers +/- a few thousands on the market.
While i refuse to call this headspace,because it plainly and simply is not headspace to anyone who has ever headspace a center fire rifle with a finishing reamer
Totally agree - it really should not be referred to as a 'headspace' but essentially that is the language everyone understands.
I wish you luck,but until things change and a breech plug is made to within a couple 1000's and a way to measure it's lenght after it's tighten up in the gun and a 209 primer made to within a couple 1000's of a inch in lenght. Are most likely wasteing your time,if one try's to over come these events with how much one tighten's are loosen's the breech plug trying to over come the diffrence in the 209 primer and how far the breech plug is screw in are out
That is exactly where I am at now - I can not cover all the options you suggest with just one adaptor - it appears it is going to take 3... but if you know for instance that you are going to shoot only Fed 209A's and BH you could get away with one adaptor.
I am sure that is why REMINTON nerver even tried to make it a REAL type fireing pin to start
Actually they did the original design was a regular Model 700 short action bolt - lugs and all... but they could not get permission from the Government to do it that way because the ML barrel could be simply unscrewed from the reciever and a center fire barrel put back in and you would have a centerfire rifle. So to qualify as only a ML - Remington cut the lugs off - extended the the breech plug with a nipple. Which also changed the length of the firing pin so a new hammer had to be designed, and in those days the 'plunger tyoe' hammer was the thing. Also remember all of this happened before the advent of shooting 209 in a ML... The 700 is really somewhat a copy of Tony Knights orignal operating theory on an inline as many other inline ML's of this time date were.
Had Remington stayed with the ML market - they would have done the same changes along the way - only certainly better than I can do.
Here is a link to a New REM 700ML 209 converison Kit.If you read it all.It says .
http://muzzleloadingbullets.com/remingt ... pples.html
This is
NOT the new REM 700ML - 209 conversion kit... It is the old one that has been available for at least 7 years. But it is being distributed by an American company because Cabelas dropped it in favor of the really
NEW Precision Rifle Bullets conversion. I purchase 3 new nipple from them and they are exactly the same as the old conversion. And yes they will shoot BH - but there is a hazard that you should be aware of as with any type plunger action shooting BH.
This conversion has been installed in the gun since 2004...
