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cayuga

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I was asked by a member if I had the time, to do a range report on my Black Diamond XR. So of course I agreed. Anything to shoot. Also I realized that I had not shot the Black Diamond XR in a very very long time.
So here it is.

Thompson Center Black Diamond XR
50 caliber
26 inch blue steel free floating barrel
open breech design hammer striker ignition system
three ignition systems... 209 primer (currently used), musket cap & #11 cap
fiber optic sights
resin plastic type stock with two locking lug nuts to support the barrel
Trophy Woods mount and bases (Cabela's)
Bushnell Banner Dusk to Dawn 1.5-4.5x32mm scope


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Due to some recent rains, and the fact I was wearing tennis shoes and did not want to wade in a large accumulation of water, the target was set at 60 yards. I used the range finder to measure it and got three readings. The most common being 60 yards. I accepted that.

Projectiles to be used would be the 250 grain Hornady XTP in a black Harvester Crushed Rib sabot. The other would be a Traditions Arms (where I purchased them) 350 grain .430 diameter Keith Nose pure lead bullet. This would be nice in states that demand a pure lead bullet.

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Starting on a clean barrel only swabbed with alcohol and then a dry patch... I loaded 120 grains of loose Pyrodex RS powder. I then loaded the 250 grain Hornady XTP. I noted while it loaded fine, there was some slight pressure pushing it down the bore. Nothing unacceptable, but I did notice it.

I picked out the center target and shot my six shot group.

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As this rifle has always done, it threw the first shot high off a clean barrel. One reason I hunt on a fouled barrel. After that, swabbing between shots with Windex, I shot the next five. The group was more then acceptable. Although perhaps a slight scope adjustment is in order. Although this rifle was sighted in for 75 yards and there was a nasty cross wind from left to right.

Then without swabbing after the sixth shot at the center target, I wanted to shoot under hunting conditions, that is without swabbing the bore. I noted the sabots loaded EASIER then when I swabbed the bore. Although the last shot of the two, kicked like a mule for some reason, knocking backward into my baseball style hat bill and knocking it off my head. The shot did not wander, but I could tell the barrel was really fouled when I cleaned it for the next shooting. In fact after the shot the first place I looked was for the aluminum ramrod the rifle has. Then I remembered, I always load with a range rod. And it was in its place. Why the rifle kicked the way it did, I have no idea. Maybe I was holding it wrong in my hurry to shoot.

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The gun was filthy at this point. The claim I always make is it shoots good but is a dirty rifle to shoot.

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This photo is with the 209 nipple removed, to show you what a fouled breech really looks like. I know there are people out there striving to make their rifles shoot 99% clean. Well it is not going to happen with this rifle. Although in defense of the rifle, it cleaned up real easy. It just takes a few minutes of your time and can be done on the range.

With the rifle swabbed clean and ready to go. I loaded 100 grains of Pyrodex RS and the 350 grain Keith nose lead bullets.

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The last two shots were done without swabbing the bore. I should add, these 350 grain Keith nose bullets in a green Harvester crushed rib sabot loaded really EASY. I mean, you ever wonder when a bullet loads so easy whether it will be accurate or not? I honestly thing I could have simply used the ramrod and no short starter to load these projectiles. Also they seemed to have a lot of thump when they were hitting the steel bullet trap. Maybe it was the soft lead ringing out. But this in my area where shots are under 50 yards, would make a heck of a deer load.

Cleaning the Black Diamond XR was as always time consuming. Lets face it, there is a lot of fouling in the breech area and on the scope that needs special attention paid to it. I pay a lot of attention to the breech area of my rifles and since this scope is not on quick release rings (yet), I have to fit my fingers into places my fingers do not like to go. But the barrel itself cleaned up really fast.

Also since I lost the log on the rifle, I had no idea when the trigger was cleaned last. I took the time to do it right and clean the trigger assembly, spray the rifle barrel down with brake cleaner and scrub it. Once the rifle was back to its beautiful condition it was oiled up and put away.

Over all the Black Diamond XR was not really a surprise to me. It shot like it always does... real well and dirty. This is an accurate rifle, but if your more interested in a rifle that is clean to shoot and easy to clean, this is not the rifle for you. If you want a dependable rifle that goes off each time, and shoots a variety of projectiles well and is because of the ignition system legal in I believe all states... this is a good choice if your willing to clean it at the end of the day.
 
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Yow ugly dirty there. Are those 1:28 twist or 1:48? I always liked those Keith Nose Hollow Points. If it is 1:48 I might try some out of my flinty.
 
Good range report. Yikes! I thought my Traditions Buckhunter with the open breech striker was bad, but yours takes the cake! After the first time I shot the Buckhunter and Pyrodex, I was surprised how easy most of that crud wipes off.
 
The black diamond has a 1-28 twist. I have shot them Keith nose out of my Genesis and they were real accurate also. Never tried them in a 1-48. Something to do next maybe. I never shot an animal with that all lead Keith nose, but the way that was ringing my steel bullet trap.. that must be a nasty bullet for hunting. I am guessing it should expand real good.
 
Dave,
Do you ever shoot that gun with the #11 primers. Mine was dirty but not THAT dirty. I wonder if the primer type makes much difference?
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Yes I have shot them with a #11 cap and you're right, it was much cleaner. BUT I set this rifle up with 209 as a hunting rifle. I really do not care about the fact it fouls out.
 
I agree, with that kind of shooting you can live with the dirty breech and it really doesn't take any longer to clean a really dirty breech than it does a average dirty breech. For hunting it is a non factor.
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Great picture of blowback in the breach area cayuga!

If anyone ever had a question about what blowback looks looks this would answer it. Like I stated in a another post I did alot of reading on this blowback and had some questions myself but the way I see it is my Omega is tight and clean. Thanks for that picture.
 
Thanks Cayuga.
That was well done. I have been thinking of putting a scope on my XR to see how accurate it really is, as the open sights on my rifle are smewhat blurry, for some reason. :lol:

Have you shot any full size conicals in your XR?
 
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This was something I did during deer season many years ago, with the Black Diamond XR. In fact it was loaded, I hunted that morning and a bunch of us were going to hunt the bush that afternoon. So I decided to load up with the No Excuses Conical Bullets. They were .503 diameter and 460 grain.

If you look to the far right you see a smaller hole. Well the rifle was loaded with some 375 grain Buffalo Bullets, I had been in the rain and fog all morning and decided to unload. That was the first shot. After that I just started shooting the No Excuses Conical bullets to see if I was on target.

I said on the card it was 100 yards. Well I was wrong. I had paced the distance. I later shot the same distance with my range finder (two years later) and learned it was only 88 yards.

The BD still had the Bushnell Banner 1.5-4.5x32mm scope on it. It was modern season we were hunting. So I loaded the rifle with the No Excuses and hunted that afternoon. My BD will shoot No Excuses real well. And at the distance I was hunting that afternoon and in a cedar and tag alder bog, you do not want deer running away. I figured this would plant them where they stood.
 
With that bullet, I suppose you can shoot right thru the tag alders! :lol:
I just got a 460 gr. mould for .50 cal and am waiting on handles. Hopefully they will shoot as well in my BD.
Thanks.
 
harry said:
With that bullet, I suppose you can shoot right thru the tag alders! :lol:
I just got a 460 gr. mould for .50 cal and am waiting on handles. Hopefully they will shoot as well in my BD.
Thanks.

harry I used them because the big conical bullets really plant deer. You being from Northern Wisconsin must have hunted a cedar or tag alder marsh were you can hardly walk through them. The last thing you want to do is hit a deer and have them run deeper into that stuff.

That day, and when ever I hunt the bush, I break the deer down. I break shoulders so they have to fall on the ground. I'm too old to drag them devils out of the bogs. About killed me a couple years ago. That was one of the first times I was ready to leave a big doe, and just walk home. But I toughed it out and finally got her to ground that the ATV could get to. I was so beat, I mean almost sick tired beat. After that I break them down. I bust them up good. Sure I loose a little meat, but they fall right there. One reason I like my White rifles so much.

What mold did you get? Lyman, Lee, what?
 
Cayuga
I hate them tag alder swamps!!!! I can agree with your philosophy though. If it saves ten feet of dragging thru the tags, it is worth it!
I stay out of the tag alders most of the time now. I am guessing you are doing deer drives? I never could get close to anything busting through that stuff on my own.

I ordered a mountain mold, 2 cavity. I shot some 460 NE out of my omega x7, but then I got a white .504 a few months ago, so I wanted to make my own boolits.

IMO shooting home cast allows me to shoot more than if I was using saboted bullets.

I had not shot the BD that much cause I hated the prices on saboted bullets, but the white showed me that one can get some great groups with a big conical. I was thinking of sellin off the BD, but I did not want to sell off a good rifle that I just did not know enough about to get it to perform.. Thats whiy I hoped I could get some info from you. I plan on saving the BD now, maybe selling something else....

I definitely want to replace the funky plastic stock on it. UGH.

Thanks
Harry
 
Did you ever see the molds that Underclocked help to make for the White shooters what we had LEE molds build for us... they make a 450 grain UC Short Mag we call it. It is like a No Excuse except it comes out .504 diameter. They make a nice bullet.
 
No. But I did see some of the convoluted(!) thread that dealt with that mould. I always wondered if they got ordered or what ended up. Do you have one? I would have liked to have got into that deal.

The mould I ordered came out about .002 over spec, so I hope that doesn't cause a problem when sizing. I have a .503 size die on order from Lee, as that is the size I am shooting out of the white.

Once I am awash in "cheap" bullets, I want to shoot them from all my muzzleloaders and then keep the most accurate ones.

At least that is the plan. :)
 
Yes I have one of the molds. I cast a bunch of them out of pure lead a few years ago and they came out .504 which was perfect for my Model 97. They shoot real good. I am just too lazy to get all the stuff out and cast.

I also have the REAL conical molds and the Whites do a good job with them as well.
 
The REAL bullet was my first attempt at shooting a conical, and I got miserable resutlts from my omega and black diamond with them. I got one hole groups at 40 yds with my Hawken with the REAL bullet, which lead me to believe they would not work in a faster twist inline.
I would get some really wild fliers, but now I am thinking I might have had some poorly cast bullets, like - not concentric. I am thinking of testing that theory by sorting some bullets by the amount of non-concentricity, shooting them, and then comparing the grouping. Maybe someone has already done that experiment?

There was a thread some time ago about twist rates and bullet stability and that gave me the idea that maybe the problem was just poor casting. :oops:

Wanting to shoot an accurate conical led me to the white and big bullets and I have not shot the REAL bullet since.

Do you do any coyote hunting with your muzzleloaders?
 
The REAL bullet was my first attempt at shooting a conical, and I got miserable resutlts from my omega and black diamond with them. I got one hole groups at 40 yds with my Hawken with the REAL bullet, which lead me to believe they would not work in a faster twist inline.
I would get some really wild fliers, but now I am thinking I might have had some poorly cast bullets, like - not concentric. I am thinking of testing that theory by sorting some bullets by the amount of non-concentricity, shooting them, and then comparing the grouping. Maybe someone has already done that experiment?

There was a thread some time ago about twist rates and bullet stability and that gave me the idea that maybe the problem was just poor casting. :oops:

Wanting to shoot an accurate conical led me to the white and big bullets and I have not shot the REAL bullet since.

Do you do any coyote hunting with your muzzleloaders?
 

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