got the cva eclipse all cleaned up. went to the range i used 80 gr of 777 lose powder and 300 cva deer slayer bullets . darn that think kicks worse than my 30/30 and there is no recoil pad on it my other muzzle loaders never had much of a kick at all . i only shot it twice .afrer shooting my winchester 94 30/30 still sore lol need a new recoil pad on the eclipse and a slip on for the 30/30