I just had a flash in the pan idea and wanted some input from the "intellects" on here.I have a Vari Flame adaptor from PR that I used to use w/T7. 5 gr of T7 fills the cup area of my Omega BP flush w/the surface.I'm thinking that since I know a SR primer will reliably lite T7,5gr of T7 should lite Blackhorn. A duplex(sort of)......5gr T7-100 to 115gr of BH. Using SR primers I never had to drill crud from the flash channel as w/209 primers.I plan on going the LR primer route from PR but for the time being thought this may just work.
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fisher1; I have the 25.acp breach plug on two muzzleloaders and I believe your idea will work. Ive never tried this but will when weather gets better. I don't think it would take five grains, maybe less. Have never used vairflame adapter. oldyelper
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I'm not a proponent of duplex loads.
However, if i HAD to, I would use 5grains of APP or TrailBoss on top of a 110g load of BH209--in one of my short 7ml tubes.
That way, the load would be packed to the top of the tube, and would stay in place, until poured into your muzzle...the APP or Trailboss on top would pour-in first, followed by the BH209 8) :wink:
However, if i HAD to, I would use 5grains of APP or TrailBoss on top of a 110g load of BH209--in one of my short 7ml tubes.
That way, the load would be packed to the top of the tube, and would stay in place, until poured into your muzzle...the APP or Trailboss on top would pour-in first, followed by the BH209 8) :wink:
I also have the .25 ACP breach plug conversion for my TC Omega. I used Small pistol primers and I really like the way they performed and the fact that I could reload the spent casings after use. I switched back to the 209 breach plug for use with BH209. This summer I will experiment with the .25 ACP casings using both small rifle primers and small magnum rifle primers to see how they preform with BH209. I don't like the idea of duplex loads as they would be difficult in a hunting situation.
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I have a 25acp conversion for my Omega - but I use CCI-400 'Small rifle primers' for the everyday shooting of T7 - and when I shoot BH I use a CCI-450 'Small Rifle - Magnum' primer... so far I have not ecperianced a problem shooting BH from the Omega - but I have only used BH on a limted basis. Too expensive for me...
I have a 25acp conversion for my Omega - but I use CCI-400 'Small rifle primers' for the everyday shooting of T7 - and when I shoot BH I use a CCI-450 'Small Rifle - Magnum' primer... so far I have not ecperianced a problem shooting BH from the Omega - but I have only used BH on a limted basis. Too expensive for me...
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Ive been tempted to try the Variflame when i run out of 209 primers. I have an upgraded breach plug now thanks to a board member and the Variflame with hot primers might just work fine.
I have the OEM BP in my Omega.I stuck a needle in there and it appears to be about .029 as the needle is .031 and won't go in all the way.I have had no ign. problems at all w/BH using CCI 209M. I would need a carbide bit probably to open this to .035 right.sabotloader said:
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You have had no ignition problems with the way it is; now you want to change what you have? That's ok, i don't need to understand. I'm OK. OK. I'm not confused.
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To me, it seems wonderful that we, me, we, keep trying to 'improve' what we have. Perhaps it is because we still have the genetics that brought us here from the time we tried to kill tigers with rocks. Perhaps we have too much time on our plate. I don't know why, but nothing seems to be perfect.
It is too bad those people that blow them selves up, and kill innocent babies, don't have a desire to improve their breech plug. It is too bad they can't focus on something other than their religion.
It seems strange to me that i may be concerned about a little residue on my breech plug, or how i can get BH209 to light more better, whilst another is concerned with not having a kidney that works.
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To me, it seems wonderful that we, me, we, keep trying to 'improve' what we have. Perhaps it is because we still have the genetics that brought us here from the time we tried to kill tigers with rocks. Perhaps we have too much time on our plate. I don't know why, but nothing seems to be perfect.
It is too bad those people that blow them selves up, and kill innocent babies, don't have a desire to improve their breech plug. It is too bad they can't focus on something other than their religion.
It seems strange to me that i may be concerned about a little residue on my breech plug, or how i can get BH209 to light more better, whilst another is concerned with not having a kidney that works.
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Having been laid off from my job of 22yrs I do have extra time on my plate.Being retired military I'm well aware of the horrors going on in the world.My thoughts and prayers are w/those who have a kidney issue as I have only one left myself. As I understand it,this forum is for folks w/a common interest to share their experiences,thoughts and ideas.ronlaughlin said:
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OK, how about trying a 777 primer with out any adapter to light your duplex load?
You wrote: "....................I plan on going the LR primer route from PR but for the time being thought this may just work." Do you mean PR is making an adapter to use a LR primer in a 209 breech plug? How can there be enough material left around the LR primer for the adapter to have enough integrity to work?
OK, how about trying a 777 primer with out any adapter to light your duplex load?
You wrote: "....................I plan on going the LR primer route from PR but for the time being thought this may just work." Do you mean PR is making an adapter to use a LR primer in a 209 breech plug? How can there be enough material left around the LR primer for the adapter to have enough integrity to work?
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Yes PR supplies a BP which uses a shortened 6mm Rem.case.They provide a thin wall socket for BP removal and a few shortened cases.Cost is around $80.00.Same principal as their 25 ACP BP.Toby has a write up on his site about it. When I spoke with Cecil the owner of PR, he told me that unlike 209 primers,LR mag primers leave no crud in the flame channel.
Yes PR supplies a BP which uses a shortened 6mm Rem.case.They provide a thin wall socket for BP removal and a few shortened cases.Cost is around $80.00.Same principal as their 25 ACP BP.Toby has a write up on his site about it. When I spoke with Cecil the owner of PR, he told me that unlike 209 primers,LR mag primers leave no crud in the flame channel.
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Well, that sounds interesting. The large rifle primer 6mm case breech plug doesn't seem to be on their website, or if it is i missed it. I did see they make a savage vent liner with a kind of tapered flash hole which looks interesting enough to me that i may give it a try.
Well, that sounds interesting. The large rifle primer 6mm case breech plug doesn't seem to be on their website, or if it is i missed it. I did see they make a savage vent liner with a kind of tapered flash hole which looks interesting enough to me that i may give it a try.
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As far as I have been able to ascertain the different versions of breach plug that use large rifle primers are custom made often by the companies that custom build smokeless muzzle loaders. I have been interested in this for some time and have not even been able to get a set of plans for same. Lee
As far as I have been able to ascertain the different versions of breach plug that use large rifle primers are custom made often by the companies that custom build smokeless muzzle loaders. I have been interested in this for some time and have not even been able to get a set of plans for same. Lee
Took this idea to the range today and it works great. Conditions were 40 deg,partly sunny but quite windy. I used Fed. small rifle primers and 5gr of T7 on the BP under 110 to 115gr of BH. Fired 12 shots in all w/instant ignition on all shots. The flame hole showed no crud ring.I tried a drill bit in the hole but got very very minimal residue. I had a 4 shot group w/the 260 PT Gold that was right at 1 1/16" and a couple of 3 shot groups w/other bullets that were abit under 1.5"..... in ea of these 2 of the 3 shots were @ an inch or abit under.All in all w/the wind not bad.I know that this is not good for hunting and involves an extra step using a measure for the initial 5gr of T7.I know I will be using the LR primer system from PR as this will eliminate the T7 step and should make suitable for hunting.fisher1 said:
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