Got my Noslers today!

[Franksauto]

Just got 4 boxes of 260gr Nosler Partition HG. Along with the 2 boxes I already have, 300 rounds should last me a while. Too bad Nosler stopped making them. I wonder if they will come out with something to replace them.

 

[cayuga]

What sabot are you going to shoot with them? I will have to ask Sabotloader for some expert advise here. I picked up two boxes myself. And I cannot remember what sabots I used to shoot. I think they were Harvester Crushed Rib. Out of my Black Diamond XR one afternoon, at 100 yards I shot a 1.25 groups with them.

 

[sabotloader]

cayuga

Those Nosler's are probably the best bullet I have ever used on whitetail... The Nosler has been tested against almost ever bullet and it has proven to open over a wider range of velocities tha nany other bullet. The offer controled and limited mushrooming, great penetration, tremendous hydrostatic shock, even heavy bone crushing when you think it is necesary and they still maintain their shape. Not to mention minimum weight loss...

I shoot them with 110 gr of T7-2f in most of my inlines. In the Knights and the White I shoot them with 120 grains. I do shoot the HPH-24, except in the White and I use the MMP Short Black thick sabot. Other people really like the Harvester 'short black' but for myself I feel a lot more comfortable with the 24. I can not say anything about the Harvester 'Crush Rib' since none of my rifles require the use of that sabot.

Here is a pic of the only Nosler I have recovered from an animal - well it went through and lodged in a stump so I was able to get it out.

 

[cayuga]

I have some short black Nosler sabots as well. I am wondering what they might be? I am guessing they are a HPH-12 as they normally make a nice tight fit in the bore.

 

[sabotloader]

cayuga

If they are the older Nosler Sabots they will be Harvester and if the are short they will the Harvester 'Short Black' Nosler originally contracted with Harvester - the current contract is with MMP. If you look at the base it should be a smooth base - not stair stepped... I still have 3 or 4 of those packages...

The HPH-12 is the same length as the 24.

 

[Franksauto]

What sabot are you going to shoot with them? I will have to ask Sabotloader for some expert advise here. I picked up two boxes myself. And I cannot remember what sabots I used to shoot. I think they were Harvester Crushed Rib. Out of my Black Diamond XR one afternoon, at 100 yards I shot a 1.25 groups with them.

Not sure, maybe the crushribs. Sabotloader has a ton of info on here. Any ideas on which sabot I should use out of my Omega.
Thanks in advance,
Frank

 

[SteveB]

Frank - I use the short black out of my Triumph w BH209.
Borderline too tight - takes effort in the feild for reloading with the
ramrod - easier with my rangerod. Depends on your bore - they may work or you may need the crushed rib.

I stocked up too - 8 boxes of the 300 and 6 of the 260.

 

[Al in Mi]

cayuga

Those Nosler's are probably the best bullet I have ever used on whitetail... The Nosler has been tested against almost ever bullet and it has proven to open over a wider range of velocities tha nany other bullet. The offer controled and limited mushrooming, great penetration, tremendous hydrostatic shock, even heavy bone crushing when you think it is necesary and they still maintain their shape. Not to mention minimum weight loss...

I shoot them with 110 gr of T7-2f in most of my inlines. In the Knights and the White I shoot them with 120 grains. I do shoot the HPH-24, except in the White and I use the MMP Short Black thick sabot. Other people really like the Harvester 'short black' but for myself I feel a lot more comfortable with the 24. I can not say anything about the Harvester 'Crush Rib' since none of my rifles require the use of that sabot.

Here is a pic of the only Nosler I have recovered from an animal - well it went through and lodged in a stump so I was able to get it out.

Have you tried any of the Swift bullets by chance?

 

[Franksauto]

Frank - I use the short black out of my Triumph w BH209.
Borderline too tight - takes effort in the feild for reloading with the
ramrod - easier with my rangerod. Depends on your bore - they may work or you may need the crushed rib.

I stocked up too - 8 boxes of the 300 and 6 of the 260.

Wow, I bet that package weighed quite a bit! How do you like the 300's and what are you shooting them out of. I am considering buying a few boxes of those also.
I may go with the crushed ribs if they are easier loading. I have the origonal sabots that came with the Noslers and they are hell to get down the barrel. I had to push the ramrod against a tree to get the bulled nown for a reload.

 

[sabotloader]

Al in Mi

I have not tried any Swift A-Frames - but every thing I read about them indicates they are an awesome bullet....

 

[sabotloader]

Franksauto

That is exactly how tight my new Triumph was when I got it. I did not think I was going to be able to hunt with it. I was terribly disappointed. My Omega is an older one and it loads fine... but I do remember polishing the bore on it also...

It works great now - I can load any of my Normal sabots including the .458/300 gr. Nosler in an Orange MMP sabot.

I had to run some JB's bore paste in the barrel to clean and polish the bore. Took me 100 strokes with a tight patch and a loading jag... but all the difference in the world....

 

[Okie Hog]

Have never used the 260 grain Partition bullet in a muzzleloader. Have killed a lot of hogs with them though: The 20 gauge Winchester Partition Gold round is loaded with that bullet. Winchester claims a velocity of 1,900 fps. It kills hogs DRT.

 

[SteveB]

I did the JB on my Triumph as well - really helped. Seemed to loosen up a bit also after 50 plus shots.

Frank - been shooting the 260's with great success both accuracy and terminal.
12 to 14 deer (some nuisance permits) and never recovered one. Got the 300's on sale and haven't tried them yet. Slightly better bc and I've been trying to extend my range - practicing longer is making me a much better shot 100 yds and in.

 

[Franksauto]

I did the JB on my Triumph as well - really helped. Seemed to loosen up a bit also after 50 plus shots.

Frank - been shooting the 260's with great success both accuracy and terminal.
12 to 14 deer (some nuisance permits) and never recovered one. Got the 300's on sale and haven't tried them yet. Slightly better bc and I've been trying to extend my range - practicing longer is making me a much better shot 100 yds and in.

When you say you never recovered one, you are referring to the bullet correct? I dont think I can take the srtess of loosing another deer anytime soon!

 

[sabotloader]

Franksauto

I can tell you this honestly - i have only reovered two Noslers in my lifetime - both shot from a ML.... one from a whitetail and one from an elk. And I can not remember tracking anything farther than 60 yards and that was huge bull shot one time with a 300 Win Mag and a 200 grain Nosler Semi Round Nose Partition...

 

[SteveB]

Yep - meant nosler's.
Deer have been 1 to 50 yds - all in sight.

 

[deer655]

In my mk85 the 300 gr with crush rib sabots were just fair at best grouping about 4 to 5 inches at 75 yards. with the hph 12 my groups at 100 yards is around 2 inches. my problem is lack of practice so i think with this combo my groups should shrink if can can find a close place to shoot.

 

[Franksauto]

In my mk85 the 300 gr with crush rib sabots were just fair at best grouping about 4 to 5 inches at 75 yards. with the hph 12 my groups at 100 yards is around 2 inches. my problem is lack of practice so i think with this combo my groups should shrink if can can find a close place to shoot.

Nope, I couldnt get them to group out of my MK85 either. Only bullet that shot really wel was the Powerbelt 295gr hp. I was getting 6 shot quarter size groups at 50 & 75 yards. I have a pile of them put aside just for that gun.

 

[sabotloader]

deer655

The Mk-85 is a throw back to when Tony was building them... They have an overbore (probably in the .504 area). You probably would have your best luck with the thick MMP Short Black sabot. The orignal sabots that Knight made were .508 in diameter and the MMP short black is .506.

The 'crush rib' should be way to thin for a MK or any of the early version Knight Rifles. Unless you were using the new Red Crush ribs built for the Savage...

 

[GM54-120]

deer655

The Mk-85 is a throw back to when Tony was building them... They have an overbore (probably in the .504 area). You probably would have your best luck with the thick MMP Short Black sabot. The orignal sabots that Knight made were .508 in diameter and the MMP short black is .506.

The 'crush rib' should be way to thin for a MK or any of the early version Knight Rifles. Unless you were using the new Red Crush ribs built for the Savage...

Maybe a 458 in a Crushrib made for a 452?

Toby Bridges says he has done it with success in another rifle. I think he used the 458 325gr FTX with a black Crushrib in his test.

Another idea. Harvester has some cast/sabot combos. Would the softer cast "fatten" on firing and seal better? Im not sure how hard theirs are on the scale.....pretty cheap at least

Lubed or dry felt wads help seal conicals. Probably wouldnt hurt under a sabot.

A combo of any of the above.

Just a few random thoughts.