Muzzleloader malfunction, very grafic

[johnpb]

I saw this on another forum and thought it may be a reminder to some.
http://picasaweb.google.com/tfprocter/G ... 1237988674

 

[OptimaAndy]

ouch

 

[DavidKansas]

I would like to know what he was shooting out of that ML from the looks of the out side of the barrel it was not Black Powder or a BP sub. no sign of smoke on the steel. If it was smokeless powder then he was lucky that he still is breathing, I do not understand why anyone wants to risk it. Just my .02 cents worth.

 

[rc67]

Wow. Glad I wasn't the shooter.

 

[gateway]

the gun look's like a savage???

 

[Urban_Redneck]

I believe Savage Arms proof tests all their barrels. There have been several "failures" reported. What actually caused the failures is always unclear.

After all, if the guy knew he messed up the loading would he have ever fired the rifle?

It's not difficult for me to imagine someone using a black powder measure to load smokeless to create a serious overload.

IMHO, smokeless muzzleloading is like handloading, it is available to far too many people that don't have the mental capacity operate safely.

Just my $0.02

 

[jsteurrys]

IMHO, smokeless muzzleloading is like handloading, it is available to far too many people that don't have the mental capacity operate safely.

All muzzleloading is handloading. One needs to think about what they are doing and focus on the task at hand.

 

[choc-dog]

That rifle incident took place in "Quebec" months ago..the injuries to his hand were far worse than the lose of the rifle. I believe some fingers were lost.

A perfect EXAMPLE WHY PRODUCT LIABILITY FOR FIREARM MANUFACTURERS IS SO EXPENSIVE.

Chocdog

 

[Okie Hog]

It could have been caused by a failure to seat the sabot on the powder. Some of these Savage smokeless M/L shooters use loads far in excess of that recommended by Savage. Additonally, some guys mix powder types in their duplex and even triplex loads.

http://www.sav10ml.com/pages/main.htm

 

[Urban_Redneck]

IMHO, smokeless muzzleloading is like handloading, it is available to far too many people that don't have the mental capacity operate safely.

All muzzleloading is handloading. One need to think about what they are doing and focus on the task at hand.

I agree. However, when you add smokeless powders, that can easily develop extreme pressures to the mix- the stakes go even higher. At least with the BP substitutes the pressure/volume ratios are close enough across the board to retain a margin of safety.

I am thankfully surprised, there haven't been more reports of blown barrels and injuries.

As to liability, even if operator error is proved, a good company will have gotten smeared for 2 or 3 years and spent 100k+ in legal costs before they can examine the rifle or speak about it.

 

[cayuga]

He's not dead, so he's lucky. When we see photos like this it is easy to speculate what the shooter did wrong. It would be interesting to KNOW what the shooter did to cause this.

 

[Busta]

That rifle incident took place in "Quebec" months ago..the injuries to his hand were far worse than the lose of the rifle. I believe some fingers were lost.

A perfect EXAMPLE WHY PRODUCT LIABILITY FOR FIREARM MANUFACTURERS IS SO EXPENSIVE.

Chocdog

Chocdog,

I thought it was the incident from Quebec months ago too, but we would both be wrong as that was a seperate incident, this incident just happened on October 24th, 2009 in Broad Valley, Manitoba. The mans name is Trent Procter, and you can read his story in this link.

I am not on either side of the Savage here, but just though you guys might want to read what "HE" wrote. There is also other pictures in this link. I wish him well in his recovery!

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

 

[sbuff]

Speechless....

 

[SWThomas]

Looks like it was overcharged to me.

 

[bernieg]

Looks like a double load to me. :shock:

 

[TJJ]

Thanks for the link Busta, interesting read

 

[Okie Hog]

Yep, the article is written by the very guy who has an ax to grind with Savage.


http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

 

[johnpb]

Thanks for letting us know that there was a story to the pics. The forum that I first saw this had no explantion as to what happened.

 

[younghunter_86]

Yep, the article is written by the very guy who has an ax to grind with Savage.


http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Alert2.html

+1

 

[choc-dog]

He's not dead, so he's lucky. When we see photos like this it is easy to speculate what the shooter did wrong. It would be interesting to KNOW what the shooter did to cause this.

100% correct sir.

Chocdog